[Hrgeeks] Holy War 2.0 (was: Text Editors)

[Geoff]

Just sayin'...

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Adam Crosby <adam at uptill3.com> wrote:
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> On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Branson Matheson wrote:
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>> I use FreeBSD quite heavily for server stuff .. ;-) But then again .. I have reason to.  You know .. reasons like:
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>> - if I type ifconfig .. I can see not only that there IS an interface .. but the IP address and that it's connected, and the speed at which it's connected and it's SSID if it's wireless all in one command .. wow .. what a concept!!
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> Nobody uses Solaris either.  Linux and OSX both show you all your ifaces if you type just 'ifconfig'.
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>> - if I install new PCI cards in a box .. eth0 doesn't magically become eth1 and vice versa .. what a concept!!
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> If you install a second intel nic, does it always keep fxp0 and fxp1 in the order you assume they should be in (hah, what is Intel gigabit ethernet? enX?)
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>> - I have a single config file to handle all the system stuff /etc/rc.conf .. what a concept!!
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> That's so thoroughly documented and easy to keep clean and organized.  Separation of this is why I like Ubuntu so much.
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>> - if I don't want colorls crapping all over my screen .. I can just change my .files .. oh wait .. nope .. ok .. i'll change the /etc/(profile|cshrc) .. oops .. nope again .. I have to find some arcane /etc/profile.d/* file and fix it .. because *THAT* overrides my own .files ( contrary to the manpage ) .. what a concept!!
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> Man it sucks having to figure out how to use your operating system!
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>> - I *Do* think that apt-get is far and away as good as the fbsd ports system .. but 'rpm' .. really?
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> apt-get is 'as good as' ports?  Having to maintain a huge chunk of filesystem and suck up all those inodes for a list of packages I could possibly one day want to install, with no straight forward way to search, and then, once I want one, I have to download the source and COMPILE it?  Is it 1995 still?
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>> - if I want a man page on a program .. I just type man {program} and get an answer .. I dont' first type man {program} .. oops .. nope .. ok info {program} .. oh damn .. a tree .. lemme scroll down .. nope still not there .. AAUUUGGHGHHHH
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> Uh, at least the last time I used FreeBSD, if you wanted to see the man page for a GNU util, it STILL told you to check info.  That's GNU being retarded, not a linux thing.
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>> - if I want to rebuild my OS .. I can just cd /usr/src, make buildworld .. and look .. I have my entire OS updated ..
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> What if you only want to update a part of it, because updating everything breaks software you need to run (*cough* vmware *cough*).  You also forgot the critical step of downloading and checking out the entire source tree for the operating system, including huge chunks of crap you'll never actually use.
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>> - I mean if FreeBSD sucked so bad as a desktop .. it wouldnt' be used as the basis for a major desktop OS would it? or a  major phone OS would it?  That'd be completely unrealistic ;-)
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> It's not used as the basis, chunks of it were stolen for it.  Same as Windows used to use TCP/IP.  If freebsd were so awesome as a desktop, we'd be using it as such.
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> As much as a used to like FreeBSD, most of this is now crap.  OpenBSD is doing amazing things with networking stuff, ZFS availability is nice (as Ethan mentioned), but I've got no idea what benefits FreeBSD brings to the table these days.  Linux even has Zero Copy and interrupt mitigation features that used to give FreeBSD a big technical edge on performance.  What's left besides history or personal preference?
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